Posted by Jeff Downs on June 24, 2002 at 05:21:19:
In Reply to: Re: Free Material on Cults and World Religions posted by Jenny on June 23, 2002 at 20:53:26:
> So by stating there is no absolute truth's I am in fact stating an
> absolute truth? You kinda lost me there, but basically that IS what I'm
> saying.
I illustrated how you are contradicting yourself in your statement. I
said:
It would be like someone saying they can't type or speak any words in
English.
The problem is, at the same time they are saying the can't speak a word in
English
they are speaking in English. They have contradicted themselves in their
very own statement.
Well, let me just as you: is your statement or belief that there is no
absolute
truth - is this a true statement? If it is a true statement that does
apply to everyone, then
you have hung yourself by your own words. If it is not true statement and
does not apply to
everyone, then the statement is meaningless. Hope you can see now.
> That is fine that you think me wrong, however I am a spiritual
> person and have no problems with my own beliefs.
You have not defined God for me. Can you do this? One of the problems
today, is that a lot
of people will say they are spiritual, but in the end "All is God and God
is All" the problem with
humanity according to these people is that we need to discover the divine
spark (divinity) that is within
all of us. And the end result in this philosophy is man/women ends up
worshipping himself/herself.
Isn't this exactly what Paul had to say in Romans Chapt. 1
> And I do find it sad that there are people in this world who find fault
in others beliefs.
Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, again do you not see the contridiction in your own
beliefs. You find fault with my belief
while at the same time telling us that you find it sad that people find
fault with others beliefs.
> As to the interpretation being what the author is trying to convey, well
> if we didn't interpret the author's words differently we wouldn't have a
> bazillion different religions.
No you can't take your cloths off....
Oh, I'm sorry, that is not what you really meant is it? Hopefully my
illustration is understand.
While an author "can" be interpreted many ways, do you really think an
author intends for the reader to do this?
Again, I refer you to my example above.
By the way, you still have not defind tolerance for us. If you do (from
the dictionary) you will see you
are in error. The fact of the matter is, you only tolerate that which you
are not in agreement with.
> And as I said previously, I don't believe any of them are 100% right,
but I think there are some truths in all of
> them. Each of us are on a different path & different levels, spiritually,
and the choice of religions are there to help those on all the different
> levels. That's my belief anyway.
And you have every right to hold to that position. And no one (certainly
not any Christian) should
suppress this right. This is called freedom of speach. But, again, you
must realize that I have the right to believe and say that you are wrong.
And I trust you would respect
this right (although you have already told me it is sad that I would say
this) and I'm not being intollerant to say so.
> Thanks for the book information.
Let me give you just a should paragraph out of the intro. to Relativism:
Feet Firmly Planted in Mid-Air. Francis Beckwith, Gregory Koukl (Baker,
1998; ISBN#:
0-8010-5806-6), pg. 11.
"We believe or say we believe, that all people have a right to their own
opinion--except those who hold that
some opinions are better than others (though we believe that our opinion
about them is better than their opinion about us).
Our academic culture holds to the tenets of moral relativism while
marginalizing those who apparently violate its rules against insensitivity,
intolerance, and political incorrectness. We want to have our cake and eat
it to"
In Christ,
Jeff Downs