Re: H.R. 1022...Dems at it again!

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: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The recent attempted registration/confiscation of legally owned weapons should really be no surprise. Many of the people I spoke with about the Democrats' anti-gun agenda said that there was nothing to worry about. I told 'em, "Just watch and see what they try to do if they get control of the houe and senate". : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : On Feb 14, 2007 (just 41 days after the Dems took the helm) Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, a Democrat from NY introduced H.R. 1022. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : This bill, if passed, would not only reinstate the Clinton gun ban, which expired in 2004, but would also ban any guns that were made to comply with the Clinton bill. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The bill would also ban many additional weapons that the Clinton ban did not, such as all semi-automatic shotguns. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : (For those of you who don't hunt, these are used by many PA small game hunters) : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The bill bans any guns deemed "not sporting" by the Attorney General, even tough the U.S. constitution gives us the right to use guns for defense. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Also, whereas the Clinton ban was temporary and expired after 10 years, the McCarthy bill would be permanent. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Whether or not this bill wil get the support it needs to pass is still up in the air. They will probably hold off on voting on it until they see if they can get Hillary or one of the other Dems into the Whitehouse. That way, they can be assured it will pass without the risk of a veto. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Good. It's about time. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Let's have innocent people die everyday by semi-automatic guns just so a bunch of people can kill deer. Brilliant. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I applaud anyone who stands up to the idiots in the NRA. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : This goes to show the stupidity of the anti-gunner. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Semi-automatic weapons are not allowed in the hunting of big game (deer). : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Studies required by Congress prior to the Clinton ban showed that the weapons prohibitted by the Clinton ban were used in less than 2% of all violent crimes. The Clinton ban had little to no effect on this. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : It's funny (not really) how the very same people who rant and rave any time any of our other constitutional rights are violated are so quick to rape us of our 2nd ammendment rights. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : My guess is you just got the monthly NRA letter asking for money and this little gem was in there to get you to send them some $$$$$ Typical gun nut reaction!!! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : No, I didn't get any letter. I read it online... the press release announcing the introduction of the bill back in February. I just posted now because "bmac" brought up the idiotic PA bill requiring a $10 anual fee for each legally owned firearm....A $10 a year fee to own something the 2nd ammendment gives you the RIGHT to own! : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Have you read about HR 1022? If not, how can you determine I'm a "gun nut"? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : I'm not a gun "nut", I just realize the value of our second ammendment rights and what lengths the anti-gun people are willing to go to to crush them. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Why aren't the Dems against this violation of our constitutional rights? Any other time they strongly oppose any violation of our rights. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : The Patriot law, abortion, gay marriage...all issues where the Democrats have claimed violations of the constitution. Yet when it comes to the second ammendment, they want to talk about how old the constitution is and how THIS right is no longer legitimate. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : _________________________________________________ : : : : : : : : : : : : : Look at what happened today at Virginia Tech. When will all you happy go lucky gun totters wake up and realize that there needs to be immediate action taken. Countries with stiff gun laws do not have students killing students. I own guns, and do not have one problem with registering them every year. I have to pay a fee every year for owning a dog, and I guarantee he is never going to kill anyone. So what is the big deal. You keep talking about your rights, but it would be a differant song you would sing if it would be your loved one shot down innocently. Not only do you need to wake up, GROW UP!!!!!!!!! : : : : : : : : : : : : I own guns also and have no problem with sane gun laws. I remember years ago when the government tried to outlaw machine guns and the NRA fought it. Machine guns don’t kill people, people kill people. You can still own a machine gun if you buy a permit to have one. Teflon coated bullets the NRA fought. Serial numbers on bullets they fought. I don’t know how being required to register guns would violate your second amendment right. We don’t have total free speech, total freedom of the press or total freedom of religion. The second amendment should be the same. If you disagree with this, please don’t kill me with your assault rifle. : : : : : : : : : : : Machine guns have been outlawed since 1934. : : : : : : : : : : : The same law applies now. The only way to legally own an automatic weapon is to have a Federal license to own one. : : : : : : : : : : : So I have no idea what it is you "remember". : : : : : : : : : : : The teflon deal was about more than just teflon bullets. It also involved other strict restrictions and taxes on ammunition. : : : : : : : : : : : The serial number thing sounds like a good idea, but what it really is, is another stepping stone, toward taxation registration and ultimately confiscation of weapons and ammunition. : : : : : : : : : : <Machine guns have been outlawed since 1934.> My friend showed me his machine gun. It’s a “tommy gun” like the gangsters used. He has a special permit to own it. So they are not outlawed, you can still own one. : : : : : : : : : : The things you say about Teflon bullets and serial numbers just being a stepping stones to confiscation of weapons is just NRA propaganda. You don’t know this. Serial numbers on bullets sounds like a good idea because it is. Imagine pulling a bullet out of someone and knowing who bought the bullet. Why would that scare you? : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : If your friend legally owns a Tommy gun he has a federal license, like I said. : : : : : : : : : Maybe I was unclear. The law against owning autos was enacted in 1934. Ever since then it has been illegal to own an automatic weapon, unless you have a federal license, so I have no idea what it is you are saying you "remember". : : : : : : : : : If he just has a permit, he isn't allowed to have a Tommy gun. A permit is issued by the county. You need a Federal license to own an automatic weapon. : : : : : : : : : It's far more than "NRA propaganda". If you believe that you are falling right in line with what the anti-gun people want you to. : : : : : : : : : If this data was only to be used for criminal investigations, that would be great. But that is not the only reason they want it. The real reason they want it, is so they can have a readily available confiscation list. : : : : : : : : : As for #'s on bullets, a lot of guys reload, so that wouldn't help there. All a guy would have to do is buy his shells from a buddy who reloads and there would be nothing on them. : : : : : : : : : If they were really interested in this sort of thing, all they would have to do is take a ballistic sample of each gun sold and keep that on file. Fire one bullet from the gun at the factory and keep that on record. : : : : : : : : : No matter where the person bought a bullet, if it was fired from that gun, it would match that sample, and could be traced back to that registered gun...real simple. : : : : : : : : : The reason this isn't pursued is that it provides no LIST. The only way to find the persons name, would be to actually HAVE a bullet from a crime scene. Then AFTER it's match was found, the name of the gun's owner would be released. : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : You brought up some pretty good points. First off my friend does have a Federal permit for his “tommy gun”. The thing I don’t understand is how he passed a background check. This guy is “unstable”. : : : : : : : : It’s been awhile since I bought a gun, but don’t you have to register a handgun when you buy it? : : : : : : : Your friend probably got the license back when the laws were a little more lax. : : : : : : : Yeah, you have to register a handgun when you buy it. : : : : : : Well if you register a handgun wouldn't they have the list they need if the government started to confiscate guns? : : : : : : Yes he got his machine gun permit back in the 70's. : : : : : Yes, they have a list for handguns, but that's not enough for them. They also want to be able to obtain a list of all other guns, who buys what ammunition, and so forth. It's all just an effort to deter law abiding citizens from owning guns and to eventually disarm every law abiding citizen in the United States. : : : : : No matter what they do, criminals will be able to find a way around. : : : : : Right now, they grind off serial #'s. : : : : : Add #'s to the bullets and they'll use reloaded shells. : : : : : Put a device inside the gun to stamp an id # onto each shell and they disable it. : : : : : The only feasible way is the sample bullet method I mentioned earlier. That could also be circumvented, but it would mean causing damage to the barrel of the gun. : : : : : Keep in mind this whole discussion is taking place because the Democrats are frothing at the mouth over getting a chance to impose the most sweeping gun ban in American history...just like alot of liberals claimed would not happen. : : : : : They claimed this was just a scare tactic and a "hot button issue" that the Republicans were using. : : : : : 41 days....that's all it took before McCarthy introduced this bill. : : : : : : : : : I guess it's ok with you that the Republicans can listen to your phone conversations, check your bank statements and who knows what else?God Bless America !! : : : No, that doesn't really worry me at all. I don't think it's right, but it doesn't worry me. : : : I do find it amazing that the Democrats, who are so upset about a violation of any other constitutional right, are actually fighting to have our 2nd ammendment rights taken away. : : There are some Republicans against guns and some Democrats, not every Democrat. European press is blaming the NRA on the shootings at VT, they scoff at our gun control laws or non-laws : Yeah, you're right, not EVERY Democrat is against guns, but the majority of them are. Gun control is one of the Democratic party's major issues. : I don't really give a shit what the "European press" thinks about anything.

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