Posted by true on February 03, 2007 at 16:47:54 (EST):
In Reply to: Re: 39 Pennsylvanians died this year in the war posted by Speaking Just For Me on February 02, 2007 at 21:19:16 (EST):
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: : : : : I have to question your claim that your friend now says they come in when they get their checks and get mad when they can’t buy cigarettes and MTO’s. That doesn’t make sense either. A lot of these people have been on assistant for a long time and would know by now what they can and cannot buy. Why would they come into Sheetz every month and try and buy prohibited items. Doesn’t make sense. I can see people new on food stamps doing this, but you make it sound like a revolving door of welfare people coming into Sheetz trying to buy stuff they know they can’t buy. And I hate it that you keep putting me into the role of defending these people. If they are able bodied people they should support themselves, period.
: : : : : Let me clear something else up. “Bleeding heart liberals” do not believe these people “DESERVE” to get hand-outs. That too is ridiculous. These programs are started to help needy people and I think it’s good that it’s there. What happens is people take advantage of these programs. They get some doctor to say they are bi-polar, stressed out or whatever and bingo they get assistance. Or they start having children. Are you going to through a mother out in the street with her children. That will never happen in this country, so they get free money. What’s the answer? I’m not sure. When Congress tried to purge the welfare rolls and make able bodied people get a job, a lot just gravitated over to SSI. Every good program out there, whether government or private somebody somewhere is going to take advantage of it.
: : : : What happens is, they come in there every time they get a new check and blow it on crap. Then they get all pissed off because they can't buy this stuff with their access card.
: : : : You ask a VERY good question "Why WOULD they come into Sheetz every month and try and buy prohibited items". NO, it DOESN'T make sense.
: : : : The fact remains it does happen.
: : : : You say maybe you could see it with "new" people. WHY? Do you think these "new" people SHOULD be wasting their access card credits on cigs, pop and MTO's?
: : : : You say you hate being put into the role of defending "these people"...Why do you defend them then? Maybe you ARE one of THEM.
: : : : You say "If they are able bodied people they should support themselves, period."...E X A C T L Y!!!
: : : : Here's the definition of "bleeding heart" I found on thefreedictionary.com: "A person who is considered excessively sympathetic toward those who claim to be underprivileged or exploited."
: : : : You'll notice some key words in this definition such as "excessively" and "claim".
: : : : I agree these programs, (most) were started with the greatest of intentions. However, they are greatly abused, in many ways, some of which you mention here. One of the ones you mention is "they start having kids". Then you say ,"Are you going to throw a mother out in the street with her children?". Here's one of the cases where the "bleeding heart" comes in. There are a lot of wmen out there who have been on welfare all their life. They satrt out on it, then they turn being a single mother into their career. They have 3,4,5 illigitimate kids and end up getting MORE money in assistance than many married couples EARN. This should never, ever happen. "Bleeding hearts" think that's fine, because it's for "the children".
: : : : If a program is a good program, it should be set up so that it CAN'T be abused, or so that it is at least DIFFICULT to abuse. These programs today are set up so that it is so easy to abuse them these people figure "Why the hell would I go to work, here's some free money right here".
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: : : Some of the philosophie sin this thread are warped, and I mean really warped. You accuse this poster of being one of them, but it sounds like you are jealous. Did you ever try to apply for these benefits and were found not eligible? You sound more bitter than mad. You refuse to acknowledge the gross negligence in other parts of spending that way exceed these programs in regards to taxpayer money, and most of the time these people (big businesses) have money, but still find it necessary to rip off the government to make more money.
: : : If you spent more time researching where the big money is wasted and not just be bitter about one segment this would all make sense. Nobody is saying it is right for benefits to be abused, but you are obsessing over it like this is the biggest dent in our budget. Guess what, it does not even come close!
: : : How do you propose that we make a program completely free from fraud or abuse? I have given you some of the reasons that I believe that this may be increasing, but I have not heard anything from you.
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: : No, I haven't applied for any of these benifits. There may very well be some that I qualify for, but I don't need them to survive NOR do I feel I should apply for them just because I would technically be eligible. Sure it would supplement my income, but that isn't what the programs are for. These benifits are intended for those who NEED them. They're not meant to provide "mad money" for the "less fortunate".
: : Not only do I not "refuse to acknowledge the gross negligence in other parts of spending" I have agreed with you one this and I have provided further examples of it.
: : Are you implyimg that since these "white collar" offenses do occur, that it somehow makes it RIGHT when people abuse the welfare system and other programs?
: : As soon as abuse of these programs was mentioned you IMMEADIATELY came out with this "white collar welfare" crap. Nobody condoned it. Nobody said it was right. It's been agreed that it happens with both parties. Yet you are still blabbi'n about "whire collar" when that's not even what the discussion is about.
: : I AM disgusted with "white collar". I've already said it. You're right, I probably would be more disgusted by it if I did more research.
: : That still doesn't mean I wouldn't be disgusted by regular old Joe Dirt welfare abuses.
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: As stated many time on here, several people on the board have acknowledged that there is abuse, but YOU keep pounding it into the ground like it is the biggest issue this country is facing.
: when you bring it up time and time and time and time again, people begin to think you have become obsessed with if for some reason. What is your motive?
: All people are pointing out is that it is okay to be frustrated with this issue, but this is not the largest malfeasance of tax dollars occurring in ourn country.
: We get it. People are out there abusing benefits. I think most people already know that. Each time you bring this up, I think people are getting just as frustrated and want to make it clear that if you are so worked up over the waste of your tax dollars, then you should be looking where billions of your tax dollars are being wasted.
No. If ANYBODY is obsessed with ANYTHING here, it is YOU. I simply stated that I was disgusted by welfare abuse. YOU, then had to start "pounding" about "white collar welfare".